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1LBGTQ Empty LBGTQ Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:22 am

Narurin

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I'm of the opinion that orientation is more or less fixed at birth, but that there is room for change with life experiences. I also reckon that it isn't a matter of putting orientation into boxes - eg. you like girls therefore you're lesbian - but more that it's a sliding scale, with homosexuality on one end, heterosexuality on the other and bisexuality/pansexuality in the middle. So someone can be mostly hetero, but somewhat bi.
When did you work out what your sexual orientation is, are you still deciding, or have you always known?

I think gender is the same as well, people don't necessarily have to be either male or female. For instance, in the past when a baby was born with ambiguous genitalia, they were 'fixed' as quickly as possible, to make them look like your average male or female, or the in-between person would get the surgery done by their own decision later in life. These days however, more people are deciding to identify as being ambiguous and leaving it at that. Or people who for example are born male and identify as female, they don't always choose to have surgery to change (although they often do). I actually read a great journal article recently on the topic of transexual people's partners, and what the relationships go through during the gender transition.

What do you peoples reckon? Are gender and sexual orientation fluid or do you think it's more set in stone? There is no right or wrong, just opinions.

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2LBGTQ Empty Re: LBGTQ Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:29 am

Emilia

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I think it is pretty much set in stone. Kids from when they are little know who they like and who they are.

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3LBGTQ Empty Re: LBGTQ Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:28 pm

martin

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Gays and Lesbians are human beings like any other and I agree that they deserve some rights, but certainly not similar benefits to heterosexuals. There is no need for them to have equal benefits of marriage as they simply can't perform what heterosexual couples can, for one, they can't have children naturally and its bad for homosexual couples to raise children imo.

What homosexual couples choose to do with their sex life is their own warped choice, but it shouldn't be able to destroy the integrity of marriage. It is as insane as someone waking up one day and beginning to drive on the wrong side of the road, breaking the nation's road rules and a few morally incorrect minds get together to give him the right to everything else that the people following the road rules have the right to do. It is not workable.

Like the lunatic who chooses to drive on the wrong side of the road, the Gay and lesbians have only one right, the right to be afraid because the laws of nature are against them. They can go on and pursue all manner of sexual perversions and deem it right, but it being good and acceptable to them does not make it a morally upright or legally sound option, terrorists might as well have the right to kill if national laws are going to be easily bent by personal sentiments and egocentric decisions. The nation and its laws must not be twisted to consider individuals, but the whole. This is a case of moral abnormality and just because many people fall prey to it does not justify it to have a law protecting it.

If gay people get marriage rights, then the crazy people who practice bestiality will plead rights and benefits since they love the animals that they make out with. This would lead to a destruction of humanity.

4LBGTQ Empty Re: LBGTQ Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:44 pm

Emilia

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Ok Martin

You are no longer allowed to have any sex that will not result in the creation of a baby.

Because yes, heterosexual couples do it too.



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5LBGTQ Empty Re: LBGTQ Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:45 pm

martin

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Most married straight couples will have children anyway Emilia, so what's your point...

6LBGTQ Empty Re: LBGTQ Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:47 pm

Emilia

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You are saying that what they do is immoral. How? They are doing it with someone they love.

And for someone who doesn't want to have children, this is pretty hypocritical.

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7LBGTQ Empty Re: LBGTQ Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:48 pm

martin

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As I said, what they do is their choice, but they shouldn't be able to get married. I never said that they can't have sex.

8LBGTQ Empty Re: LBGTQ Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:49 pm

Emilia

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A lot of married couples don't want to have children, like you.

How is that different to a homosexual couple?

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9LBGTQ Empty Re: LBGTQ Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:51 pm

martin

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That doesn't matter because most straight couples have children, gay couples can't have children, naturally. Do you want to make it that only people that have children can get married!? actually that wouldn't bother me lmao, but that will never happen

10LBGTQ Empty Re: LBGTQ Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:52 pm

Narurin

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What about people who are sterile? People who can only have children through IVF? Should they be unable to get married?

Marriage is about much more than just procreating anyhow. It's about love.

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11LBGTQ Empty Re: LBGTQ Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:53 pm

Emilia

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So what is so wrong about a homosexual person raising a child?

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